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Post by autofobe on Nov 15, 2021 6:16:29 GMT -5
Sorry to here that Dave.There are some real Red Greens out there.I feel your pain but I’m sure you will have it in tip top shape by spring.
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 18, 2021 14:32:41 GMT -5
470 km round trip today to NH Cycle. Good thing too. The inner seals are shot anyway besides having been glued in. It would have run like crap. Bearing look ok. Hopefully a comparatively low bill.
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Post by autofobe on Nov 18, 2021 20:27:17 GMT -5
That’s good news Dave,you could have wrecked your top end.
Brad
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Post by zambia on Nov 19, 2021 11:33:44 GMT -5
How long was the chit chat? Usually takes longer than the 470km drive! LOL!!
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 19, 2021 16:25:16 GMT -5
I was saved by the arrival of another customer. It was limited to about 10 minutes.
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 19, 2021 16:30:16 GMT -5
Ok, here is another of the firsts suffered with this bike. When I tighten the nut on the rear axle, the whell won't turn. Loosen it and it is fine. I have checked the bearings and everything rolls fine. Gone to the parts drawing and everything is there and in its proper place. In the Johnny Cash , one part at a time B, the swingarm seems to be from an H1E according to the pics on the resource site. Axle seems to match too. All H1s use the same right side spacer. The sleeve at the sprocket side is there too. WTF ?
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Post by autofobe on Nov 19, 2021 20:13:19 GMT -5
Hey Dave,The early swing arms are solid at the pivot.The late ones have a cross brace about four inches from the pivot and are open there. The B swingarm looks like the early one but is an oddball. The distance across the back of the B is 9” the early and late are all 81/2. So if you are using a B wheel in a late or early swingarm the spacer is probably to long. Also make sure the sprocket bolts aren’t to long and pressed against the swingarm when you tighten the axel. That’s all I got for ya.
Brad
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Post by lc on Nov 20, 2021 16:31:30 GMT -5
Is the tubular spacer installed between the bearings, inside the wheel hub?
Do you have the correct axle spacers on the LH end (sprocket side) needed for the swing arm in use?
The early 1969 to 1972 use a threadedicated spacer with an extra large nut. The late 1973+ use a different spacer against the swing arm and do not have the large nut.
J
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 21, 2021 9:01:40 GMT -5
Spacer in the hub is there. Left hand spacer at the sprocket is there. Right hand spacer is the same for all. Axle appears to be the late one with cuts for a wrench on the head side. Early axle has a round head and hole through it for a screw driver to hold it while tightening the nut.
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 21, 2021 9:12:13 GMT -5
Is there a difference in the thickness of the spacer on the hub side. Late is listed as 42037-022
early is 42037-017 Could this difference be what is hindering the movement ?
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H1 wanna B
Nov 21, 2021 12:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by lc on Nov 21, 2021 12:55:33 GMT -5
As far as i remember the correct spacer for the B (on the sprocket side) has a nut that mounts it to the swing arm. As such with axle removal the sprocket and carrier stays mounted on the swing arm.
The early swing arm (including the B) has a larger hole on the LH side to accept this threaded spacer.
The late bikes no longer used the theaded spacer. They use a shorter non threaded spacer (in total length). As such with axle removal the sprocket and carrier came off with the wheel.
Does your sprocket and carrier stay fixed to the swing arm with the removal of only the axle?
My guess is someone has possibly put an incorrect spacer for your bike or the swing arm you are trying to use, possibly one from a different brand of bike.
Is there a chance someone has put an S series spacer in place of an H series spacer in the area of the sprocket carrier?
The problem will likely be the thicknes of spacer between the sprocket carrier and the wheel hub.
J
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 21, 2021 13:54:49 GMT -5
Hi Scott This one does not have the big nut and the sprocket comes off with the wheel. The swingarm is from a later model with the extra cross piece. The bike is so cobbled together from many H1 models that it is hard to figure what is what.
It is very likely that the spacer is wrong. He sent a few parts from S models thinking they belonged with this bike.
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H1 wanna B
Nov 21, 2021 14:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by lc on Nov 21, 2021 14:24:57 GMT -5
Agreed.
The spacer that maintains the correct distance between the sprocket carrier bearing and the wheel hub bearing is incorrect.
Be sure the spacer between the wheel bearings is tight between bearings too or this spacer is the wrong part too.
J
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Post by kawonda750 on Nov 21, 2021 14:39:52 GMT -5
OK. Never thought of that. I will do so tomorrow when I take the wheel off again. Crazycanuc gave me the late spacer measurements which I will confirm also.
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Post by autofobe on Nov 21, 2021 17:14:40 GMT -5
The easiest way to fix it isto get a 72 swing arm.The more you cobble parts the more trouble you will have.If you use a late style wheel you will now have brake problems as the early wheel uses a cable the late wheel uses a rod. Or throw away big nut fixed sprocket holder and make a spacer.
Brad
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