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Post by drewski on Sept 25, 2014 13:54:16 GMT -5
I look at speed as the result of how the bike handles, not the other way around. Meaning, if I rode 3 bikes into a corner and attempted the same comfort level, for sure I'd have 3 different speeds. I was refering to the whole concept of "learning to ride". When we went to TMP/Cayuga, I think we all wanted to "learn" something about cornering better/faster or whatever. Keith Code addresses the learning process here: "Can’t we just learn by reverse engineering? From the outside, that seems simple enough; watch better riders and just copy what they do. Unfortunately, when watching other, better riders, you can’t even see, much less mimic, the subtle perceptions that initiate the actions required to ride well. Forcing someone into Marc Marquez’s riding position is tough enough. Then there are those outrageous, elbow-dragging corner antics, which are contrary to our very survival instincts and patterns. Short of a Vulcan mind meld, learning by copying someone like Marquez isn’t going to work for most of us. Golf swings, batting, skating, diving, swimming, hurdles, and more athletic pursuits suffer the same problem. How do you accurately and simply describe and communicate such a complex action?"I can follow Rick around and around TMP all day and learn the "fast line", but beyond that, I need to train my own mind and body to process and respond to the imput I recieve from the bike as I ride it. "Translating into words what you feel when you’re riding isn’t easy. It’s simple to feel but very difficult to describe. Imagine describing what it feels like entering a particular corner with the intention of another rider using your words as a guide. You’ll soon realize that so much of what you are describing is muscle memory, unconscious nerve impulses, your own individual sense of timing, the sensation of speed, your confidence to lean the bike over, traction feedback, and more. These are all sensations, or feelings, and, as such, quite difficult to accurately or effectively communicate to another rider."
Without a doubt, going from one bike to another would change the imput signals and change how I respond to them. I'd be slower/faster based on those responses. I am facinated by the process. You can't just explain how to ride better/faster. You need to experience it and learn it on your particular machine.
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Post by Rick on Sept 25, 2014 16:04:02 GMT -5
I've been racing for a very long time now and I'm still not fast. On a newer bike I ride much faster on the track and my times reflect this, but the basic lines never change. Better brakes and suspension will mean braking points and lean angles will change, but the lines remain the same.. You guys were having a blast, asking your bikes to do something you'd never done before...and believe me, you'll only get better with more seat time!
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 6:34:43 GMT -5
You guys were having a blast, asking your bikes to do something you'd never done before...and believe me, you'll only get better with more seat time! I know I'm penciling in both Vintage Trackdays from now on! I just watched a VRRA video on Mosport... I'm glad I'm cutting my teeth at TMP, that's for sure! I'm really thinking TMP would be ideal for the G3, at least that's my motivation to get that project cooking at the moment!
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Post by zambia on Sept 26, 2014 7:18:17 GMT -5
I'm hoping to get this thing track ready for spring - with decent pipes it makes the same power as a stock H1..
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 7:41:03 GMT -5
Yup, that bike will be tough to keep up to!
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Post by zambia on Sept 26, 2014 8:31:58 GMT -5
I'm thinking maybe turn it over to Rick to take care of getting it saftied and tuned!!! Rick? hint, hint.....
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Post by Rick on Sept 26, 2014 8:36:51 GMT -5
I'm thinking maybe turn it over to Rick to take care of getting it saftied and tuned!!! Rick? hint, hint..... Sure!
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 9:12:11 GMT -5
Maybe I should focus on the CR250 motor in the CBR125 frame instead...
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Post by rz350ypvs on Sept 26, 2014 11:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 11:34:54 GMT -5
Interesting that 2 pipes weigh. 8kg... I guess they make the stainless pipes from 18 gauge to prevent breakage.
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Post by daffey1 on Sept 26, 2014 11:53:36 GMT -5
MMMMMM TZR250 Fun little bike
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Post by pk on Sept 26, 2014 13:26:25 GMT -5
Interesting that 2 pipes weigh. 8kg... I guess they make the stainless pipes from 18 gauge to prevent breakage.
When I bought my JL H1 pipes I remember noticing they claimed 13kg on their web site (and still do) but when the pipes arrived I also noticed that the shipping weight was a little over 8kg. They certainly felt significantly lighter than my Dencos so I didn't bother investigating further.
Today I took the pipes off for weighing , and sure enough, they weighed 2kg each. That is 6kg total which is pretty far from the 13kg claimed on their web site.
I wonder how much stock H1 pipes weigh.
PK
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 13:30:00 GMT -5
I believe my 400 pipes were about 30 lbs. including spooge. 22 ga. Pipes weight 3-3.5 lbs. each as a comparison.
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Post by pk on Sept 26, 2014 13:41:27 GMT -5
I believe my 400 pipes were about 30 lbs. including spooge. 22 ga. Pipes weight 3-3.5 lbs. each as a comparison. 22 ga??? How much is that in mm (or inch for that matter) ASTM states in specification ASTM A480-10a "The use of gage number is discouraged as being an archaic term of limited usefulness not having general agreement on meaning."
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Post by Walms on Sept 26, 2014 13:55:20 GMT -5
.030"
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